Sharepoint Designer + Expression - Frontpage = ?
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Sharepoint Designer + Expression - Frontpage = ?
SP534
Ok I have and use both.
Sharepoint Designer is geat for what it is called. Light to Mid level Development on Sharepoint Technologies. I have Customized the Site Templates and created really great workflows...
As per Expresion Web, I have just used it for Web Development. Nothing major as of today but starting a new project with it and we will see.
Both seem to identical But just diffrent end results when it comes to publishing......
I bought it from Compusa I couldn't find on Technet now MSDN...
My own opinion mind you.....
Fahad349
Hi and thank you for the reply. I was sort of fooling around to see if anyone at Microsoft was actually going to reply ;). I appreciate your reply and you make an excellent point. It would have been good of me to contribute what I had learned to the forum. I shall do that now and thank you for the comparison link between SharePoint Designer and Visual Studio.
Wikipedia, as of today's date anyway, has some informative links and I share them (the scope moves outwards as you move down the list):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SharePoint_Designer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Expression_Web
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_SharePoint_Portal_Server
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SharePoint_Resources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Workflow_Foundation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework_3.0#.NET_Framework_3.0
To be more specific regarding the software replacement for Frontpage:
FrontPage to be discontinued...
That's right. Frontpage, Microsoft's primary web development software, will be discontinued. SharePoint Designer 2007 and Expression Web Designer will replace it.
1. Microsoft SharePoint Designer is an WYSIWYG HTML editor and general web design program from Microsoft, replacing Microsoft Office FrontPage. It is part of the Microsoft Office 2007 family but not included in any of the Office 2007 packages. The name change, from FrontPage, reflects the emphasis in this product on designing and customizing SharePoint portals.
SharePoint Designer 2007 is specifically designed to help people create and customize Web sites and workflows built with SharePoint Products and Technologies, such as Microsoft Windows SharePoint Services and Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007. It provides all the tools that IT professionals and solution creators need to develop SharePoint-based applications and workflow solutions that enhance organizational agility and business process automation. Coupled with the other SharePoint-enabled applications in the 2007 release of the Microsoft Office System, SharePoint Designer 2007 will help make it easier than ever for individuals and teams to collaborate effectively.
With SharePoint Designer 2007, users can design SharePoint workflows and applications without having to use traditional procedural coding languages or techniques. Instead, SharePoint Designer 2007 provides easy-to-use tools that can enable Web design professionals to build conditional views and forms with validation as well as the capability to read, write and present data from a variety of data sources – such as eXxtensible Markup Language (XML) files, SQL databases such as Microsoft SQL Server 2005, and Web services. SharePoint Designer 2007 also enables them to compile data from multiple sources to create flexible, customized views and reports, and build Web part pages and connect Web parts to create sophisticated business applications.
In addition, SharePoint Designer 2007 makes it easy to create and modify rules-based workflow applications using drop-down lists and checkboxes. The software also provides an intuitive environment for quickly creating and customizing SharePoint sites and applications using the power of ASP.NET, the eXxtensible Hypertext Markup Language (XHTML), and industry-standard cascading style sheets (CSS). Plus, Microsoft IntelliSense technologies help eliminate errors when working with CSS, ASP.NET and XHTML tags.
Lastly, it allows site administrators and IT managers to control exactly how information workers interact with the SharePoint site and applications, ensuring that they do so in a way that complies with IT policies and procedures. This includes defining what kinds of content they can add, change, or delete; where they can make such changes; whether they can make changes to master pages and CSS; whether they can access the code view; and more.
2. Microsoft Expression Web is a WYSIWYG HTML editor and general web design program by Microsoft, that will also be replacing Microsoft FrontPage. It is part of the Expression Studio suite which focuses on the needs of professional Web designers seeking to build high-quality, standards-based Web sites for companies. It provides support for integrating XML, CSS 2.1, ASP.NET 2.0, XHTML, JavaScript and other standard Web technologies into sites to make them more dynamic, interactive and accessible. It requires the .NET Framework 2.0 (or above) to operate.
Microsoft Expression Web Designer provides a professional tool for producing high-quality, standard-based Web sites in precisely the ways that designers today want to work. It enables the user to dynamically design, develop, and maintain exceptional standards-based Web sites.
The software features a flexible workspace that provides easy access to professional Web designers’ most heavily used task panes, toolbars and controls. Expression Web Designer is designed to give users precise control over style editing and design commands, such as direct manipulation of positioning, sizing and padding within CSS page layouts. Designers can readily incorporate standard XML data to make their Web pages more usable and expressive. They gain full support for ASP.NET 2.0, no-code data binding, Master Pages, and an array of server and user controls in a single tool for integrating dynamic applications into their Web sites. Built-in compatibility and accessibility checkers also help ensure that a site created in Expression Web Designer will render properly in any browser.
With the product’s deep support for ASP.NET, which is Microsoft’s platform for building Web applications, site designers can create highly sophisticated and interactive sites that typically have required the server coding expertise of a Web developer. In addition, this ASP.NET support makes it much easier for developers and design professionals to work side by side on these types of projects, where the developer is working in Visual Studio and the designer is working in Expression Web Designer.
I hope this has been informative.
AlfonsAberg
The only thing that I have found that can be used to modify SharePoint services 3.0 is SharePoint Designer 2007. I believe that Visual Studio 2005 can be used but you'll need to download the Extensions for Windows SharePoint Services 3.0 first. I think that you can use FrontPage 2003 to modify version 2.0 of SharePoint services but that is something that I haven't tested. I also tried to use Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition to mody WSS 3.0 but to no avail. Here's the link for SharePoint Services Developer Center where (among other things) you can download the Extensions: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/sharepoint/default.aspx
To answer your questions about migrating your CID to WSS 3.0, you could use SharePoint Designer or Visual Studio 2005 to put your content into some SharePoint pages, which really are nothing more than ASP.NET pages with custom SharePoint code. I would drop your javascript navigation and replace it with the SharePoint navigation though.
This answers your other question - No, SharePoint is not a web server but runs as a web application on an IIS web server. So you can place your web content into SharePoint pages just like you could insert the content into any other .aspx page.
Hope this helps.
JavaBoy
You are such a good assistant administrator to quickly move me to the "right" forum. Did it occur to you, as you splendly performed your assigned responsibilty, that actually finding an answer to my questions might be a good idea as well
I doubt it. If it did that fleeting thought was quickly disregarded. Now all I can expect is for the assistant to either ignore me or, of course as is typical for the ilk, mount a defense for their actions. Either way, the need will go unmet.
And that is the problem so much of the time. The problem isn't the technology (which is constantly evolving and improving). The problem is the sychophants assigned to adminster the technologies. For the most part, they mindlessly go about their assigned duties with little regard to whether or not those actions actually meet the need or provide an adequate solution.
Of course, an argument could be made that this is a leadership issue (the inference being that something is missing from the structure for this to be as institutionalized as it is). In any event, please do not bother to reply to this thread. I'll simply do what I normally do: find the answers myself. It's quicker, easier, and I'll learn more in the process. There is no competitive advantage here. Perhaps another place and another time.
Honestly, I've already found the answers and simply hope you have enjoyed what I meant to be an amusing monologue (perhaps with an element of truth ) In any event, stay on the sunny side people. It's getting better...
soconne
Here's a question maybe someone can answer. We have a web based Customer Information Database. It is a collection of individual websites, one for each customer. Each website has technical and support information specific to the customer. Each of these websites are for the most part HTML pages using Javascript menus to navigate. We have a CID main page with links to each customer information site. This CID is running on an IIS web sever.
What if we wanted to migrate this Customer Information Database to Sharepoint I have been playing around with WSS 3.0, and noticed that there seems to be only the most basic of web site developement in WSS. I have been wondering how you would re-create our CID in Sharepoint Can I use standard web site creation tools like Dreamweaver or Frontpage (that we use now) And if so, how do you get a "real web site" added to Sharepoint
Sharepoint seems geared towards document sharing and forms use with simple web pages used mainly for linking to documents. I am not sure it is meant to also be a web server (like IIS).
Am I missing the bigger Sharepoint picture Any advice
doener
Dror
Brian Lawson
Moving to Sharepoint Designer forum.
Thanks.
Luca Beretta
I just downloaded the Frontpage replacement which consists of two products named Microsoft Sharepoint Designer and Microsoft Expression. From what I can tell the two products are practically identical in functionality.
Questions:
1. What is the difference if any
2. It looks to me like I can accomplish the same things that either of these two products are capable of using Visual Studio 2005. Am I wrong
I do appreciate qualified feedback and thank you in advance.
-ppothier
MBA/CIS, BS/BIS, MCSE, CNE, CCNA, A+, MCAD (in progress)
P.S. Happy new year and looking to forward to a wealth of new Microsoft products to work with :).
lucas447800
Whoa, hang on there! This forum went live just a few hours ago, and I haven't even posted the initial "Welcome" message, but we've already received our first complaint. :-) Nathan was just trying to be helpful, and I appreciate it because the point of creating these forums is to make it easier for respective product/feature teams to monitor them and to respond to questions within a reasonable amount of time (2-3 business days). We're still ramping up, so please bear with us.
An aside: If you were able to find the answers to your questions, then why not post them here, so others can benefit
Anyway, for information about "what happend to Frontpage " go to http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/frontpage/default.aspx. Specifically, re: SharePoint Designer vs. Expression Web, here's the relevant passage:
"Use Office SharePoint Designer 2007 if you are a solution creator and content author working using SharePoint technologies. Office SharePoint Designer 2007 will enable information workers to develop applications and solutions on top of the SharePoint platform to enable organizational agility, business process automation, and get the full value of Microsoft Office applications on the SharePoint platform.
Use Expression Web if you are a professional Web designer. It is a professional design tool to create sophisticated standards-based Web sites that deliver compelling user experiences. Expression Web is targeted at designers who are building broad reach HTML Web sites.”
For a product overview of SharePoint Designer, go to http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sharepointdesigner/HA101656311033.aspx.
For a comparison between SharePoint Designer and Visual Studio (focused on workflow development), go to http://andrewconnell.com/blog/archive/2006/08/03/3293.aspx.
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Bill Barrett
Sharepoint Designer includes all the FrontPage Extension components such as Photo Galleries, navigation bars, etc... in addition to tools specific to SharePoint sites such as data view controls, ability to create new lists, etc.
Sharepoint Designer also includes everything that Expression Web has as far as I can tell. So essentially, Expression Web is a subset of Sharepoint Designer designed for people who don't want or need that propietary stuff that you get with a Sharepoint or FPSE enabled server.