Is there a trick to avoid the installation of service pack 2?

Is there a trick to avoid the installation of service pack 2?

• TechMate

  But what if a customer of Microsoft like me isn't interested in the security updates and patches in that

  update I find Windows xp home edition secure enough.

  But now I am forced to:

  - install the service pack: 30 minutes

  - cut out all the unnecessary bull like Messenger and many other programs that are irritating by popping up on the desktop and asking questions etcetera: 10 minutes

  - defragmentation: 10 minutes

  - backup the drive c with imaging software: 15 minutes

  That all just to use and learn a free program language from the Express edition.

  Why am I forced to protect my security

  
  

• renealejandrov

  The only conclusions that I can make are as follows:

  - Service Pack 2 is needed to install Visual Studio Express.

  - There is no real reason for installing Service Pack 2 for Visual Studio Express to work, it could easily work just as good without it, if the programmers had done so.

  - But because Microsoft forces a customer to protect their security, the customer is forced to use this update. Which causes more than 1 hour of installation and maintenance of the total system.

  - Even when a customer doesn't want an update and finds his computer safe enough he is forced to do

  the update.

  - Conclusion: Microsoft wants attention for their product just like advertising, a good tactic to become

  rich, but it is not useful and very irritating for the customer. Microsoft doesn't help, it just promotes their product.

  
  

• PhoenixPl

  You should get SP2 from Windows Update.

  To answer the legal question: The VC++ compiler is not a redistributable component and you would need to negotiate a license with Microsoft to include it in your software.

  
  
  

• benwaynet

  Thiago_cas wrote:

  Because MICROSOFT wants you to believe that the only thing they send with SP’s are security updates "for you". The true is: WGA(windows genuine advantage) was released with SP2, so they can control piracy. If you don’t have a genuine windows they believe that you can’t have the benefits of EXPRESS Project.

  So you're arguing that Microsoft has a duty to protect users who've illegally obtained their software Or that they're somehow doing something wrong by expecting people to have installed legal copies of their software

  
  
  

• Hamed_1983

  You should read the License agreement for Express to clarify some answers. I'm not a legal expert so I can only answer these based on what I know.

  1. Yes

  2. Yes

  3. No, the VC++ compiler is not under the same license terms as the Express products and if the third party is including it and redistributing it, you cannot include it.

  4. No because you cannot redistribute the VC++ compiler, free or not.

  5. No. See above.

  
  
  

• Jimmy_fingers

  The FAQ for express editions says:

  "Can I use Express Editions for commercial use

  Yes, there are no licensing restrictions for applications built using the Express Editions."

  Weston Hutchins said:

  "The VC++ compiler is not a redistributable component and you would need to negotiate a license with Microsoft to include it in your software."

  I am trying to figure this out, could you verify my following conclusions about users of Express Editions

  1. By using Express Editions a user may build applications for commercial use without any licensing restrictions.

  So when a game is created with an Express Edition, the game can be marketed without having to pay Microsoft.

  2. The user can use the Visual C++ Express Edition compiler for his own use to build applications.

  3. The user may use another program not being from Microsoft but which contains the code of the Visual C++ Express Edition compiler built in, strictly for his own use. Only the compiler itself is built in not the graphical interface or other things. And make applications with this program for commercial use.

  4. The user may freely give away another program not being from Microsoft but which contains the code of the Visual C++ Express Edition compiler built in. Only the compiler itself is built in not the graphical interface or other things.

  5. The user may not market another program not being from Microsoft but which contains the code of the Visual C++ Express Edition compiler built in. In this case the user has to negotiate a license with Microsoft to include it in the

  software.

  
  

• kwirky

  The reason is that Visual Studio Express leverages binaries that are included in SP2. These are required in order to run the instalaltion package. Unfortunately, you will not be able to install Visual Studio Express without this patch. It's good practice to update your computer to the latest service pack so that vulnerabilities are not exposed on your computer.
  
  

• LSStudio

  nononsense! wrote:

  Why am I forced to protect my security

  Because MICROSOFT wants you to believe that the only thing they send with SP’s are security updates "for you". The true is: WGA(windows genuine advantage) was released with SP2, so they can control piracy. If you don’t have a genuine windows they believe that you can’t have the benefits of EXPRESS Project.

  ps: sorry about the bad english!

  
  
  

• Paul Diston

  1. All of the Express editions require SP2 to install. There are security updates and patches that we leverage in that update.

  2. I don't know the answer right now. I will follow-up with legal and see if I can find an answer.

  
  
  

• Tryin2Bgood

  I think you are misunderstanding the full software development cycle. After you create a program you wish to sell, you compile an EXE file to distribute. You do not need VB2005 or VC 2005 or any other development software on the end users' computer, although they will need the .NET framework 2.0 installed at that location, again, you are stuck downloading from MS.

  It almost sounds like the version you are currently running has been hacked to prevent the MS certification from happening on your system. If this is true it would explain how you could have been infected by a virus or a trojan. Many hackers who break MS system coding, usually add their own back door features to the corupted files, giving them access to a lot more than a certified user certificate on your computer, which is one reason MS keeps updating code. If a hack is discovered being distributed you can be sure a patch to disable that particular feature will be included in updates. That is good customer support and good business. This is why they recomend updating directly from MS. If you are using a hacked version you surely can't blame MS for any problems, you simply have no right to do so.

  If you want to use MS software, you have to accept that they have the right to confirm your ownership whenever you wish to use their updating service or new FREE tools. It is in the End User Licence Agreement you had to have accepted to install the software. So I see no reason for you to not use Microsofts dirrect update that searches to insure you have a legal copy before allowing an update. If an update was allowed to an unconfirmed system, there could be system crashes or halts which the installer would have no control of. Therefore, certification authorization is for your benifit.

  
  

• bishoycom

  nononsense! wrote:

  Why am I forced to protect my security

  Because compromised machines are the most common source of DDOS attacks and email spam, as well as a vector for IRC servers used to run botnets and spread malware.

  If you plan to be on the internet, you're expected to be responsible enough to secure your machine or to at least make a good faith effort to do so.

  
  
  

• Yustme

  I installed SP2. I only noticed negative things.

  - In 2 days time there was a virus that caused that my server was bombed by spam. I got a warning

  that my membership could be banned if it happened again.

  - The scrolling with the scrollwheel is lousy especially on certain websites, not on msdn, the scrolling

  hangs and stutters.

  - It looks like the computer has become somewhat slower.

  Question 1

  Is an install from an original cd containing windows xp with service pack 2 better than windows xp without any service packs and then do an update with SP2

  I used the so called 'update for IT professionals', which was a diskimage.

  Question 2

  Do you already have an answer to the legal question (see above)

  
  
• Is there a trick to avoid the installation of service pack 2?